workshops work Podcast
This is a podcast about facilitation: the practice of creating conditions for people to think better together.
Whether you’re leading strategy, navigating change or developing leaders, the quality of your conversations shapes the quality of your decisions.
Hosted by Dr Myriam Hadnes, behavioural economist, facilitator and founder of workshops.work, each episode explores the human dynamics of working together: how psychological safety is built, why some conversations lead to action while others stall, how leaders foster genuine participation, and what behavioural science can teach us about collaboration. Alongside these conversations, Dr Hadnes shares reflections from her own client work, offering practical insights from the realities of designing and facilitating workshops in organisations.
Recognised as the facilitation community’s most-recommended podcast in SessionLab’s State of Facilitation reports from 2024 to 2026, the show has grown into an archive of more than 350 conversations spanning the craft, the inner work, and the unexpected edges of facilitation. Whether you’re a facilitator, leader, consultant or L&D professional, you'll come away with sharper questions and a few ideas worth borrowing.
workshops work Podcast
021 - How to use Liberating Structures to translate the purpose into a process - with Max Brouwer
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In this episode, I talk to Max Brouwer, a change-agent, scrum master and facilitator who also runs a solo consulting business max.co. The core of our conversation is the method of “Liberating Structures” and we dig deep into different exercises (so-called “structures”) and how to effectively apply them in different contexts. We also talk about the role of managers as “facilitating leaders” and how to avoid the “leadership bias” when a senior manager joins a workshop.
I was particularly curious to learn about Max’ experience of organizing Meet-up events that bring together groups of unrelated people to learn and experience “Liberating Structures”. Amongst others, I learned from Max a nice add-on to my favourite “premortem” exercise: After a brainstorm on how to fail a goal, he asks participants to highlight those items that they are already doing and challenges them on how to stop doing that.
Don’t miss the part when Max shares how he dealt with the situation when a manager started co-facilitating the workshop and questioned the process. And don’t miss our heartful laughs throughout the show (which I decided not to delete just for the fun of it).
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Questions and Answers
[1:36] If you were a hashtag, what would you be?
[2:26] What is a change agent?
[3:43] Can you learn to be a change agent and how do you become one?
[6:23] What have you learned from being a consultant about facilitation?
[9:09] Must the CEO be present in the workshop?
[11:10] Can you briefly explain the concept of “Liberating Structures”?
[14:49] Do you usually co-facilitate workshops with other practitioners of “Liberating Structures” (Liberating Structuralists??)
[20:05] Can you share the story about the manager who started co-facilitating?
[25:33] Can managers become “facilitating leaders”?
[28:03] Do you think we can create a “kitchen table” atmosphere at work?
[31:00] How do you adjust your string to different topics of a “Liberating Structures” Meet-up?
[34:08] Often I came across the method of ‘min specs’ – can you explain to me what this means?
[35:50] Which list is usually longer – the list of the dos or of the don’ts?
[40:28] How you design a Meet-up workshop for which you most often don’t know the group of participants?
[45:53] What makes a workshop fail?
[47:08] What shall the audience remember from our conversation?
Links to books and exercises we discussed:
- Lean Coffee (Meeting format)
- Impromptu Networking (Exercise)
- Fishbowl conversation (Exercise)
- Wicked Questions (Exercise)
- Min specs (Exercise)
- Triz (Exercise)
- Worldcafé (Exercise)
- Our sponsor Session Lab
Connect to Max on LinkedIn
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